There seems to be a serious lack of economic collaboration in the Niger Delta unlike what we have in the South West. What do you think is responsible for that, despite our rich natural resources?
I beg to say that contraption called Niger Delta is a marriage of different bedfellows who were initially at war against themselves. The Niger Delta, what brought us together was the delta, and not even similarity in culture, because these are different people, totally different people.
In 2002 the South-South governors decided to have what they called the South-South summit groups in attempt to bring the southern states together. What they did not understand or have at the back of their memory was that there is interest and that others are always watching to see how others’ interest will affect their interest. That is the way the world is, that is why people are fighting all over the world. This is the richest region in Nigeria. If you are Nigeria, would you allow them to come together, because if they integrate like the South-South, one day they can say they have what it takes, and they want to keep their oil. So the country is watching, they are watching you so they are happy the way you are. Because you dont have within you men that think, men of decision that look into tomorrow, to say if they take certain decisions, their children could be better. So for it to happen the way they want, they bring selfish people to lead us, so you see the leaders we have are so extremely selfish. They pay allegiance to people outside the Niger Delta region, and their work is to make sure they continually keep us at this level of chaotic existence.
See the NDDC, the amount of budget that goes into Niger Delta Development Commission, if that budget was used well, and in every year we do one major project in a Niger Delta state. Lets say we decide to build a 20 megawatts power plant for each state, the money in NDDC would have built those plants.
Or we decide to build a seaport for each state we have one in Rivers, Warri, Cross River, we could say let us develop a deep seaport around the Bakassi region, with the kind of money we have in the Niger Delta, we could have built a referral hospital that even have the big laboratories that would readily carry out researches. The same with education sector, and we say we are giving one standard university in the Niger Delta 10 billion naira yearly to develop, we would have done it. So where is the money? What has the NDDC done with all the monies that go to it. So Niger Delta is just a contraption.
When we started gathering the heat was so much to destroy us. When we had the first meeting, the second meeting, at the 3rd meeting, the governors began to fight themselves openly. The Chairman of that meeting was a professor from Delta State, he was the first chairman. Top flight people in Niger Delta were in that summit, good brains but the governors scattered the thing because when Nigerians saw the kind of people that were coming together they became afraid and said NO. We need social reorientation of our people especially our young men because our young men are already worse than the outgoing men because the young men were trained by these outgoing men. They are getting more vicious, they are vicious, they dont care about others. They dont want to know what is happening to the Niger Delta. That is why people could stand up to say that Niger Delta should not be probed. They should not do forensic auditing. I think even if the person who is doing it is a thief let him do. When he finishes also look at him and do his own because this forensic auditing will open a can of worms of the things that is happening to us in the Niger Delta Development Commission. If you know the amount of money that goes into that commission yearly you will marvel.
Just name the projects in Akwa Ibom, they will say roads, one kilometre road, they will go and paint one primary school and say you have done something. Why can’t you build a modern secondary school and handover to the states. So we need to reorientate ourselves. If we have a good person, the next thing they will say NO. That one will not give someone money. We want cultists, the CV to get a job is to have a gun, that is the CV in the Niger Delta.
There is a growing sentiment in the Niger Delta, people are saying if the Niger Delta states are getting 13% derivation fund, and NDDC get huge budgetary allocation plus the 3% of the profits of IOCs go to NDDC, and the Niger Delta states continue to be in this porous state. Is it fair for the Niger Delta states to keep complaining that there are no federal projects in their states?
Well, do you know what each of the Niger Delta states take from the Federal Government? Especially when we realized about 600 billion dollars from oil? Nobody goes home with anything less than 15 billion naira. So what is their wage structure?
What is their wage bill, do we have up to 1 million workers? Are we being fair to ourselves? What about the local governments? What are they doing? If they have a joint account there should be more money. How are they managing it? Do they have a budget or they are just doing things without plans? Our governments in the Niger Delta must sit up. They are not doing well. They should look at themselves. If they say they are doing well, they should publish their budgets. What did they say they will do and what are they doing?
But Niger Delta governors are also crying: no funds?
Ebonyi State is one of the states with the least allocation from the Federal Government. Go there and see the quality of developmental projects in that state. Not just road infrastructure, go and see the schools, hospitals.
In my inaugural lecture I dedicated a chapter to Akwa Ibom State, to give my own unpaid advice to Akwa Ibom. The problem in Akwa Ibom is that there is so small amount of money in circulation in the state. But we have so much money, I mean since 1999. In Attahs time he worked more with local contractors. 70% of our money goes to capital expenditures. Capital expenditure, includes building of roads, and this our economy does not have the capacity to keep that kind of money. If I have 10 billion naira to build roads, for example, at the end of the day, they will go to Dangote in Lagos, for example, and order 10,000 trucks of cement; he buys his rods in Lagos, so the only money that stays here will be the labour, and may be sand. So, 95% of the money goes to outside this state. The only small money in circulation in the state is the 30% recurrent expenditure. In that 30%, Government House and the legislature keep 20% and you know they don’t depend their money here, it is Lagos, Calabar, Abuja and so on. So the small money going round is the one that was paid as salary to workers.
What is your take on the economic team recently set up by the Akwa Ibom State Government, if you were in the team what would be your contribution?
I want to hear from the economic team before I give my own inputs. I want them at this point to look at the informal sector and to also look at agriculture, and not to say that agriculture is for the private sector, at this time we need government investments in the private sector. Government should take over agriculture and partner the private sector; I also want to see them creating entrepreneurs because if you go to China, the Chinese government is the one creating entrepreneurs. For example, how are we engaging Exxon Mobil? So, cant we have two or three people who supply diesel to Exxon Mobil? It is government that must create those kind of people because they must have capacity to own a tank farm. So, cant government do that? The south eastern government created Dr. Pepper, created Dr. Ime Umanah, and many more, gave those grants so that they can drive entrepreneurship. That team is a very strong team.
Sir, thanks a lot for talking with us?
You are welcome.